Bird Droppings and MJ-12, Stanton Friedman Responds . . .

Bird Droppings and MJ-12

By Stanton Friedman
www.stantonfriedman.com
© 4-10-09

     I must say that I am quite disappointed in Robert Hastings recent bird dropping and MJ-12 articles. Robert has done some fine work on the connection between nuclear installations and UFOs. But his recent opus seems to me to be painted with much too broad a brush with too many nasty personal attacks on people (Doty, Collins, Moore, Tim Cooper) and far too little investigation and discussion about the Majestic 12 documents themselves. I saw no mention at all of “TOP SECRET/MAJIC” my 1997 book updated with a 5000 word afterword in 2005. The entire focus is on MJ-12 documents, the reasons some must be labeled as phony and others as genuine. I see no mention of my several detailed MUFON Symposium Papers about MJ-12 or such items as my detailed review of Kevin Randle’s “Case MJ-12” on my website www.stantonfriedman.com .

He says little about archive research. He touts Brad Sparks’ MUFON paper attacking the documents, but not my detailed rebuttal. As anybody who reads my publications would know, I long ago noted that I couldn’t accept any of the Tim Cooper documents. I carefully showed that at least 7 were emulations i.e. retyped slightly changed real documents that had been in print. I had found the originals. I noted flat out wrong statements in others. I have touted the Eisenhower Briefing Document, The Truman Forestall Memo and the Cutler Twining memo as genuine I believe I have successfully rebutted all the arguments against these in my publications. Jan Aldrich is certainly knowledgeable about army procedures and documents, but made the false claim (as did others) that the documents had to have had TOP SECRET CONTROL numbers. Not so.. I quoted archivists from the Eisenhower and Marshall libraries saying they have many TS documents without Control Numbers. Phil Klass noisily challenged me about the PICA type used in the CT memo.. and wound up quietly paying me $1000. for providing 14 documents using the same size and style PICA type.(payment limit was unfortunately 10). A copy of his check is in the MJ-12 Update Chapter in “Flying Saucers and Science” 2008. Joe Nickell of CSI attacked the documents wrongly in the Skeptical Inquirer (Jan/Feb.2009).I will let Bob Wood deal with SOM 1.01

MJ-12 deniers claimed that the typeface for the 1947 TF memo wasn’t used until much later. Mr. Black a professional Forensic Documents examiner, hired by Robert and Ryan Wood, showed that it predated the TF memo by several years.. MJ-12 debunkers claimed the EBD was a hoax because it referred to Rear Admiral Hillenkoetter as Admiral. I showed that the use of generic ranks was very common in White House documents in the 1950s..

Joe Nickell claimed the EBD was a hoax because the data format (18 November, 1952; note the comma after November) violated the government style manual. In my visits to 20 archives I have seen many different date formats. People claimed that UFO debunker Donald Menzel couldn’t have been a member of MJ-12. I discovered at the Harvard Archives, much to my surprise, that Menzel had, unbeknownst to the UFO and Astronomy communities, done a great deal of very highly classified work for the CIA, NSA, and many companies.

I learned a lot not only from discussions with archivists, but also with people like noted historian Forrest Pogue, and George Elsey who worked at the White House all the time Truman was there.

I compiled and published lists of many details that were in the EBD, CT and TF memos that were not known to be true prior to receipt of the documents, but that later investigation proved to be true. How did a hoaxer know? I located Flight logs for General Twining and his pilot substantiating his flight to New Mexico on July 7, 1947, as noted in the EBD, and other relevant flights. Twining’s log had been in a classified box at the Library of Congress Manuscript Division for decades.

None of this is to say that Robert is not justified in some of his attacks on the activities and claims of Doty, Collins, Moore and Cooper. There were games played and I agree with some of his critiques. However, they are really separate from the documents themselves. A major area of difficulty involves claims that this or that date format was never used or was always used or that a certain kind of onionskin paper was always used for Robert Cutler carbons. I found exceptions.. One white crow proves not all crows are black. Guilt by association is not a scientific approach to document evaluation.

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